In a recent Q&A with MONA FOMA curator Brian Ritchie
over on The Thousands, published on the 17th of October, the topic of
the perception of Hobart arose. In this discussion, 'events like MONA
FOMA' are held up as the shining light which will help Hobart avoid the
stereotype of being little more than a cultural ghetto. Therein, Brian Ritchie makes a few claims about Hobart that I'd like
to disagree with. Here’s the final question and answer from that piece
(read the full thing here), copied wholesale for some necessary context:
Do you think that events like MONA FOMA are changing the wider mentality of people in Hobart?
Tasmania
has an endemic inferiority complex, which I think is being dispelled
because of the stuff that we are doing. We're also not by any means the
only thing happening. There are great places here. There are a lot of
excellent art galleries and music, and a few night clubs with original
music. I think it's maybe changing the attitude of the Hobartians. They
are actually really proud of Tasmania, but kind of afraid to say so.
People ask me: "Why did you move to Tasmania?" and I say, "Well, you
know why. It's beautiful, the food is great, the people are really
friendly." Maybe there's a certain amount of affirmation going on as a
result of the museum being open and a result of people like me and other
foreigners and mainlanders coming down and saying: "Wow, this place is
great!" It's also giving some of the young people a reason to hang
around. Tasmania uses the young population at a greater rate. I've
talked to booking agents about this; you can book acts for really young
people, and for older people, but you can't for 25-40 year olds because
they've all left. There's a whole, like, lost generation in Tasmania. I
think that maybe having a little bit of critical mass on the creative
side of things is providing different possibilities for young people.
Maybe they can stay here and even have an art practice here. It's not a
pre-requisite for them to think that they have to leave. We've actually
had some people moving here because of what's going on. It's changing.
Firstly, I feel this response is quite condescending. The idea that the Hobart arts scene can only appreciate itself or realise how good it might be after the validation of outsiders is a little offensive. That only through the affirmation of 'foreigners' and 'mainlanders' taking an interest in our city's culture, we can then ourselves know its worth a dime? I don't buy it.
I've probably blown his comment way out of proportion, but I think its an interesting issue nonetheless.
Ritchie refers to Hobart as having an “endemic inferiority complex”, but I don't think that's a fair judgement of Hobart's self-perception. Hobart is small. We're a city of 215,000 people, and we don't have the critical mass to support a glut of music venues or a huge arts scene. Hobart is small. Is it an inferiority complex if we accept that we're small or 'inferior'? In terms of critical mass, infrastructure, diversity of arts community etc, we are – purely in quantitative terms – inferior. We are small. A little isolated, even. But... so what? I see Hobart as more a city of realists than one with an endemic inferiority complex. People create art for themselves and for anyone who gives a damn, and hey – sometimes those people who give a damn live in Melbourne or Chicago.
I don't think Everett True's stamp of approval on Hobart group Naked made much of a difference in the band's profile or perception in their home town. People already appreciated the band and if anything, this tiny little piece of blog buzz just made those same people turn their heads, nod and say “yeah, we know”, and then go on with their lives. If you're invested in it, its exciting when it happens; any kind of recognition is welcome and makes you feel good about your band/the local scene. I'd debate that it's more “hey, other people like what we [Hobart] is producing, that is nice and makes me feel good”; rather than “hey, other people like what we're doing in Hobart, I didn't realise we were good!”
Bad Luck Charms - I Need to Get Out by Noise, Etc.
Side-stepping for a second, one thing I don't understand is this quote from Ritchie, in which he talks about these bastions of great local culture as a reason to live in Hobart:
There
are a lot of excellent art galleries and music, and a few night clubs
with original music. I think it's maybe changing the attitude of the
Hobartians. They are actually really proud of Tasmania, but kind of
afraid to say so.
Who is honestly afraid to say they're proud of Tasmania? Tasmania is positioned as an underdog for many reasons – it's size, mostly – but I don't have any explicit memories of any Hobart artists who would be embarrassed of their home city. I'm fucking proud of Hobart and that's why I started this dumb blog, so people both in- and out-side of the local arts community could read about and listen to Hobart music. I'm curious who these people are and why they're afraid to be proud of Tasmania.
The Hobart scene is notorious for falling into, at times, little more than an incestuous circle jerk. Circle jerks are fun, mind you, but they are also exclusive cliquey things that reject outside (i.e., the mainland) influence. We already realise we have something great going on here and maybe that's what Ritchie wanted to express. Hobart can be indignantly alone in a kind of fuck-you-'mainland'-I-can-do-this-on-my-own way; the isolate State proving it can make it on its own terms. Its what happened in the past few years when many reviews from Melbourne and Sydney outlets would cite 'isolation' as a thematic constant in many Hobart music releases. “How dare they! We can fly across Bass Strait whenever we want! We have the internet!” we'd beckon in a kind of self-assured unison. While isolation is, I think, a reoccurring element in Hobart music circa late 2000s (Ivy St., hey), the local scene didn't want to be boxed in this way. You can't tell us what we are; we aren't small! It was a shrug at outsider labelling, whether misinformed or not. This attitude is kind of in opposition to the one Ritchie discusses; and while I could just be viewing everything from my seat in the alternative music arena (the outsiders of the outsiders) rather than just a general 'Hobartian' stance (the outsiders), I don't think its completely off.
In my short experience, Hobart arts isn't as concerned with outside validation as much as Ritchie implies. As far as I can tell, while reaching for a wider, national audience is something many artists and musicians desire (and sometimes achieve), Hobart is not tied up in some bizarre notion of “we're only valuable if someone outside our city tells us so.” That's backwards.
I don't think I can speak on behalf of anyone in the arts / music community because, for the most part, I act as little more than an observer, a promoter, a documenter. I'm just a youthful little shit with an internet connection and an(other fucking) opinion to throw into the wind, but I think its a discussion worth igniting again. What do you honestly think about yourself, Hobart?
Criticism encouraged.
alexanderbennetts@gmail.com
exactly right. a band is a band and an artist is an artist regardless of location. the influence of location on artistry is overstated in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteI think you're last paragraph confirms Ritchie's theory of inferiority, Alexander. That kind of self-deprecation is what we think we should act as Australians (we can thank the English for that). But it smacks of under-confidence in one's abilities. You can speak for people and artists in the community by merit of your position as an observer and promoter. People will make art and music that represents it too.
ReplyDeleteBack to Ritchie. Of course it would take an outsider - an American, no less - to notice that we don't hold ourselves in high esteem, much less get in people's faces about how great we think we are. It's not in our nature. Never was. And, as you so rightly say Alexander, it's simply not necessary if we're to carry on making and enjoying our music and art.
Outside validation is great if you can get it. The physical isolation makes this pretty tricky so a lot of Tasmanians don't bother with it. They might seek it elsewhere. Or they just get stuck into their idea, wait until the winter is over and give it to the people that matter.
jorl, where do you get the idea that it is "not in our nature" to hold ourselves in high esteem? that's morbidly depressing aside from being totally false...
ReplyDeleteI honestly don't think my own personality/self-deprecation is reflective of anyone else or any kind of embedded cultural inferiority complex in Hobart. That's just me being me. When speaking of Hobart music, I'm incredibly positive. If anything, I hold it up in quite high esteem - maybe too much, sometimes.
ReplyDeleteI meant esteem as compared to London's 'centre of the universe' mentality. Or America's 'fuck i'm great, let me jam it in your face.' That kind of confidence you don't find too much of in Tas. Its not being in our nature come from a number of things. Living on the edge of the world, the bleak winters, small economy, the brutal convict past trickling down to the present day. All play into a different kind of confidence I guess was what I was trying to get across.
ReplyDeleteAnd the self-deprecation quip was picking up on the fact that the last paragraph pretty much disqualified your statements. It's like a journalist finishing every article with a, 'But what to I know, I'm just a journalist.' Or a plumber saying, 'yeah, your pipe's fixed but don't trust what I say.'
ReplyDeleteIf you're putting yourself out there as a commentator, then you've got to believe you're saying the right thing,
There are a few issues at play here and cultural cringe is certainly one of them, whether it's consciously realised or not. Having an "outsider's" view can be very helpful but it's how you react to it which counts. They're all opinions, all equally valid.
ReplyDeleteImagine if some Tassie musicians started going around saying how fucking great they were, talking themselves up a storm. The actual music would be lost in the ensuing debate about what a bunch of wankers they are. Tall Poppy syndrome grows well down here so people don't tend to go to that extreme.
I wouldn't worry about Ritchie's comments too much. He was making a valid (as anyone's) observation from his experience. Maybe he wasn't targetting you. Maybe he was.
Tasmania ≠ Hobart.
ReplyDeleteTrue, Fred, I have a really bad habit of generalising Tasmania as Hobart (and Victoria as Melbourne, etcetera etcetera).
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure how Tasmania having an inferiority complex is actually any different to anyone else looking for validation... And I'm pretty sure that happens no matter where in the world you are from. Musicians always rejoice when they make it in an overseas market; regardless of which sea it is over... This is an interesting piece, and I enjoyed the 15 mins I spent thinking about this issue.
ReplyDelete[And just to add some more fuel to the fire, I'll post anonymously because I feel my words are substandard and I have incorrectly interpreted the argument...]
Hi Alex and others,
ReplyDeleteI agree with most of your points.......but I think in some cases you've confused observations with opinions.
I don't think Hobart needs validation from outsiders.....but I've heard that from a lot of people here. They need to get over it.
About the inferiority complex, dozens or hundreds of people have told me they grew up thinking they had to leave, nothing for them here. I don't think they are conspiring to confuse me, there must be something to it. But that doesn't mean I think the people or place are inferior.
MANY musicians and others here have told me that Tasmania has not produced a high profile act and then gone on to say, "Because we have a small population base." In fact you say something about the population above. I remind them of Iceland. Same population, same land mass, same quasi-isolation and they've spawned Bjork, Sigur Ros, etc.
I don't think geography or point of origin matters in creativity or simply having fun. Neither does race, gender, age. Everybody's responsible for their own output. As you mention people can create without being pushy. But sometimes I've encountered situations like even professional musicians telling me they didn't attend hands-on MOFO workshops because they didn't think they were "good enough" even after we stressed "all levels welcome". This has happened a lot, in fact we now mainly have passive workshops because the musicians were so reticent to get interactive.
I think a lot of this kind of discussion will soon be jumbled due to the fact that it's difficult to define what "Tasmanian music" is. The circle of musicians I play with here are USA, NZ, Indian, Japanese, NSW, VIC, and a few Tasmanian born, but they've moved back from somewhere else. The TSO has a similar makeup and I would guess many musical groups reflect this to some degree. Of course when I'm booking local acts I don't ask them what their heritage is, living here now is good enough.
Sorry if I offended you and I certainly don't mean to be condescending. Likewise I am not offended by your responses. I think we're all on the same side here and agree. Thanks for the discussion.
Regards, BR
I posted something similar earlier and it disappeared. Let's see what happens this time.
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